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Whatever Christie can do to help take down trump and save democracy I will be grateful. But, vote for him? Never

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"Trump will be a man running in cement over the months ahead."

Oh, I hope you are right, this wonderful picture in my imagination.

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Robert Kennedy has the name but has delusional thoughts regarding a number of issues. Newsom is a real possibility as he has a quick intellect with natural debate skills. Biden is a great President during difficult times and his humility is needed to tamper the egotistical trend. He is very old and showing his frailty. If he had a stronger VP, I would not be as concerned.

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For those of us old enough to remember Jack, Robert is not Jack. Nor is he on the same page as his amazing father, Robert F.

JFK and RFK would be disappointed, but really appalled the insanity in the beliefs of Robert.

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As a 73 year old. I remember well their talents. John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and Bill Clinton all had the ability to take complex issues and make then easy to understand and meaningful.

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I’m not necessarily a fan of RFK Jr; however, consider his perspective . First, he is not of the greatest generation as his father/uncle. He is among us late boomers who as children in the 60s experienced war and homeland violence on TV---he personally was repeatedly traumatized to see the media coverage. His life experiences, activism and conspiracies are aligned to historical circumstances. I think his ancestors would be proud to know that he stands for his beliefs, and wants to save our democracy. Though I don’t see the world the same way as he does, many people do.

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I don't think, though I admit I wouldn't know, that they would favor his rejection of science. These were men who grew up in the age of diseases - polio, measles, mumps, rubella, that killed - and they still do, needlessly, because of people who believe conspiracies like Robert Jr chooses to encourage people to believe. They saw the benefits of vaccinations and the hard work that went into developing them. I doubt very much the would be proud. His living family is not proud of what he stands for, and has done.

I give him no more respect than the average Q. He is a child of great means, wealth and education, something he was born into, did not earn on his own. To lead people into darkness by choice with no basis in fact is shameful. His grandmother Rose insisted her children GIVE. He is not giving. This is selfish. Even his wife publicly disagrees (though I give her no pass as she is, imho, disingenuously allowing him to throw his dangerous fantasies into the run for the WH). He should be shut down, the soon the better. He is no better than a MAGA. People have suffered and died because of the things he has said.

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🙏 He’s dangerous because he’s as bad as any Republican on two important issues. Science and the current war in Ukraine. And he can hurt Biden.

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He is a nut case in his beliefs.

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Has anyone mentioned his backing by Bannon and the dark money coming from the Republican Autocratic Parties backers?

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An interesting perspective. Unfortunately, RFK, Jr.'s present insanity undermines every good position he ever took. "Unwitting" best describes him, if not mentally ill.

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Kay Adams-Fleig…JFK,RFK

& Clinton had a gift of telling

Voters complex issues in simple to understand talks!

The Kennedy’s including

Teddy Kennedy would be

Horrified by vaccine liar RK

Ty for commenting,Marsha

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Sandra you nailed this one✅

Grateful ty, Marsha

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Kay, we can all appreciate RFK Jr.'s amazingly persistent work for his Waterkeeper Alliance coalition work to save our waters from pollution.

But his anti-vaxx stand over the years and during the COVID pandemic has indeed been quite delusional.

Now on the matter of his father's assassination, it's not at all clear that Sirhan Sirhan was the "lone nut" who killed RFK. There is a strong convergence of alarming evidence to indicate otherwise-- i.e., a second gunman who did the actual killing from point-blank range behind RFK, while SIrhan was hypnotized to be the decoy, the patsy.

For starters, read the investigative book The Robert F. Kennedy Assassination: New Revelations on the Conspiracy and Cover-Up, 1968-1991

By Philip H. Melanson, Anthony Summers, John H. Davis

SP Books, 1994 - 362 pages

Description: A credible, shocking account featuring new evidence about the RFK assassination and the Los Angeles Police Department's cover-up. The LAPD is shown to have misrepresented key facts, destroyed material evidence, and obstructed independent investigations. Photos.

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Furthermore, and most cogently, the expert Harvard psychologist and hypnotherapist Daniel P. Brown interviewed and clinically worked with Sirhan for 150 hours and is convinced that Sirhan was set up to be a hypnotizable "Manchurian candidate"....

Here's a 1-hr interview with Brown that is must-viewing on this case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCU2MCxjAJ0

For a good synopsis, read https://whowhatwhy.org/justice/criminal-justice/the-full-story-of-the-sirhan-sirhan-parole-hearing/ which, scrolling down, discusses Brown's investigative work and findings. Here are excerpts of what he has to say about the case.

"Mr. Sirhan is one of the most hypnotizable individuals I have ever met, and the magnitude of his amnesia for actions not under his voluntary [control] in hypnosis is extreme. This unusual combination of personality factors makes Mr. Sirhan the type of individual extremely vulnerable to coercive social influence [and accounts for his] uncharacteristic behavior and strong amnesia for that behavior on the night of Senator Kennedy’s assassination."

Dr. Brown’s declaration traces the seeds of this “coercive suggestive influence” back to his experiences at a local race track, where “Mr. Sirhan regularly practiced self-hypnosis with fellow stable boys…Mr. Sirhan was observed to quickly enter a very deep state of hypnotic trance…and to then respond compulsively and uncritically to suggestions he behave in certain ways for which he subsequently became amnesic.”

“Mr. Sirhan recalls being in the hospital for several weeks. Sometime thereafter he was taken to a military firing range and trained to shoot upon command at vital human organs while in an hypnotic state.”

After a fall from a horse at a ranch in Corona in 1966, Sirhan was briefly hospitalized but, as Dr. Brown notes, “his mother and best friend both state that he was missing for two full weeks. Mr. Sirhan recalls being in the hospital for several weeks. Sometime thereafter he was taken to a military firing range and trained to shoot upon command at vital human organs while in an hypnotic state.”

Dr. Brown notes that Sirhan’s “dissociative vulnerability” causes him “on rare occasions to shift self-states”:

"On more than one occasion, I was able to find the cue to induce ‘range mode’, wherein upon hypnotic cue, Mr. Sirhan takes his firing stance, hypnotically hallucinates that he is shooting at circle targets at a firing range, automatically starts shooting, and subsequently is completely amnesic for the hypnotically induced behavior.

"This altered personality state only occurs while Mr. Sirhan is in a hypnotic or self-hypnotic state, and only in response to certain cues. This state never spontaneously manifests. While in this altered personality state, Mr. Sirhan shows both a loss of executive control and complete amnesia…This distinctive self-state is cue-specific and state-dependent…and is likely the product of coercive suggestive influence and hypnosis."

On the night of the assassination, [24 y.o.] Sirhan recalls being led in the Ambassador Hotel pantry by a [very attractive] girl in a polka-dot dress. [A man with a clip-board at one point directed her to “take him to the kitchen”] As Robert Kennedy was approaching him, Dr. Brown writes, “this same woman tapped him on the elbow twice (a common hypnotic cue) [and] he immediately went into ‘range mode’, and believed he was shooting at circle targets at a local firing range.”

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Stronger VP? Like Pence? Or Agnew? She is fine. Better than fine. She is smart, honest, hardworking and ethical. Light years better than most. Let’s, please, stop eating our own.

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Robert Kennedy is scary and

Against science and vaccines so

Kay Adams-Fleig … I’d never ever

Consider him for any position and he disgraced the memories of his

Father FULL STOP !!! Marsha

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Here’s my take, which of course is dominated by one thing.......NEVER TRUMP. I want Christie to pull from tfg & DeSatan so I hope he makes it to the debate stage. Do I trust Christie. No, but he is better than 45. I like Newsom for 2028. By then he might make some headway on his homelessness problem, which could be a game changer for him. Biden has earned the opportunity to continue as President. I would like everyone to STFU about his age. He continues to produce so let’s show him some respect. If something should happen, yes Harris can, & will step up. She can do this. I think she could surprise us all.

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Right On! Thanks.

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Exactamundo! You said it just perfectly!

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The Democratic Party's dislike for Biden is ageism and as a Civil Rights attorney who has spent a long career fighting age discrimination I know it when I see it. Biden has not been a good President. He has been an extraordinary President. His handling of the economy. Superb. His legislative accomplishments. You need to refer to LBJ for an apt comparison and LBJ had much larger Congressional majorities. His domestic policies will transform this nation for a generation or more. And his foreign policy has been lights out exceptional. He saved Ukraine and NATO and has boxed in China with an aggressive containment strategy. People look at Biden and they see his advancing age. What they should see is a guy who has successfully pushed back against authoritarianism here and abroad with a mix of transformational domestic policy and bold forward leaning foreign policy. Well done Joe!!!!!

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Daniel, please keep speaking out on this, on this forum and everywhere else. Also, Biden accomplished all you said and more while being challenged by a global pandemic and this ongoing domestic terrorism by MAGA leaders in attempt to overthrow the government. I feel sure that Biden sacrificed his life to save this country. He saved our Democracy, along with Pelosi and a few others. They're running circles around politicians half their age. Thanks.

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I agree - stay the course. I am also guilty of, at times, thinking that perhaps Biden is a bit too old. Nonsense (as I smack myself across the face). He makes that decision. I have no reason to think he is either senile or incapacitated. It looks to me like a Joe Biden who not only learned from his time in government, but acknowledges his past mistakes.

It does not matter what MAGAworld has to say. They are lost - a group of people, nothing but followers, devoid of real leadership, who have decided to receive their information directly from the Republican Party. The politicians doing this know full well what they are doing, which is a mixture of 1) A very dangerous game to be playing by inciting their followers to violence, and 2) Treating their voters like imbeciles.

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Kudos ✅Biden deserves our total

Gratitude for ALL HIS Fantastic Accomplishments …Daniel Kaiser

I’m in agreement with you,Marsha

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Lisa Beardsley…

🤗❤️🤗… appreciated your response..blessings, Marsha

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I do not see it Steve. Perhaps I am blinded by the fact that Christie has an unlikable quality about him. He wants to to be a teddy bear and at the same time comes off so angry when challenged. I listened to him and I have problems believing he would change when governing over a whole country. He thinks bullying is a good thing even when the situation calls for a more tactful approach. He is intelligent and crafty but not trustworthy. He will cave into big money every time and that does not go well for average citizens.

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Agree with you. Christie is a bully. We don’t need more bullies.

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Right, no more bullies. However, there is a difference between that and truth-telling. Christie seems to be a little bit of both. I believe people are willing to hear, "My opponent is a complete asshole, and I'll tell you why." Which in my opinion is not bullying.

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I remember when Christie enjoyed a sunny day with his family at a beach he’d closed off to the general public:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/03/535335917/chris-christie-closed-new-jersey-s-beaches-and-then-went-to-the-beach

Then the closing of the GW bridge by his staff to punish a political rival:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal

As is T💩p, he’s not presidential caliber.

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I agree and remember those events. No rewriting of history is acceptable in my book

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Cristie-bully, though, could bully the DJT bully and put a dent into DJT's MAGA following (cult). Otherwise, he's not what We The People need as a leader. Thanks.

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Agree. Shapeshifter.

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Donate to Christie to get him to the debate stage. I just donated $5. He's asking for as little as $1. He needs 40,000 individual donations to get him to be eligible to debate. As for RFK, Jr., he's a sick and dangerous creep. His vaccine stuff is disproven garbage that's hurting and killing people. Just look who he's aligned with: Stone, Bannon, Flynn, Musk, Sacks, etc. Disturbing, arrogant person. Read about how he treated and lied about his second wife, who committed suicide, and about his diary, which was filled with notes and numbers about his numerous extramarital affairs. Off-putting eyes and voice too. Hard to see him doing well in a primary, but, Steve, you know more than I do.

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I watched Christie regularly on Sunday’s “This Week with George Stephanopolis”...and I watched him in his recent town-hall. He’s great and so far, unique when it comes to taking down Trump. However, he lies about Biden. He repeatedly trashes Biden’s first two years and blames inflation on Biden which is wholly untrue. It was GLOBAL inflation, brought on by the pandemic. Biden’s accomplishments are substantial. However Biden, and the Democrats as a whole, need to step up their communication tactics. They need big, bold signs EVERYWHERE that an infrastructure-sponsored-project is being worked on. Christie lacks compassion and empathy. He IS a bully. He closed an entire beach so he and his family could have it to themselves. I do believe that he was behind “bridge-gate” in New Jersey and his team quickly stifled the staff-member who ratted on Christie about that. Christie is probably better than most other Republicans running, but that doesn’t say much. Biden may be old, but he knows government and his Cabinet is unparalleled in competence.

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Right On! Thanks.

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I agree, the bar is set so low it is becoming submerged in the Republican's dust.

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I love the visual..."man running in cement!" I can't imagine seeing Trump running anywhere. I see him most aptly situated in a play pen.😎

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Trump is toast. Christie is going to abuse him verbally to the point of trump going full CAPS on his posts.

If Gavin jumps in he will show the rest of the country and the world what we already know in California. The man is sharp + intelligent.

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If I had a dime for every time people have said Trump is toast.

Nothing seems to matter to his supporters.

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I know how much Biden wants this, and he has done good things, but if Newsom enters the race he has me 100% -RFK Jr is a mess, but dangerous. I agree with Kay, below, Biden's VP is too weak to take his place, it could have been better but she was not used properly. Happy Junteenth everyone, have a wonderful day.

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Never have liked harris (or as I call her “what pearls to wear today”:) really like Newsom and he would have my vote in a heartbeat. But also like Biden he has been what we needed at this time.

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I think people have not given Harris a serious look. She is intelligent and focused on the issues. I think I'd agree with you on Newsom but Biden is what we need at this time and that's where my vote is going as of today.

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I 100% Agree! Thanks.

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He has my vote also but wish there someway to not vote for her. From California and have neither ever liked or trusted her.

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I am so at sixes and sevens about Biden. He is absolutely who we need at the time and some great things but I S person six months older than he is. I am concerned.

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Yes in a media market / campaign that can produce a Trump, RFK Jr is an issue. Again, his views are beyond the pale and would be a much better match for the MAGA crowd.

I can only hope Trump's concrete shoes will slow him down, or make it easier to move him to a new home not located at 1600 Penn Ave NW. (I did like the George Conway comment about public housing. He and Kellyann both wanted Trump in public housing--just differed as to where).

I am waiting to see how things progress with the litigation, and whom else may be added into the mix. the 2nd half of 2023 and into 2024 are going to be challenging.

Everyone hold on, we're in for the long haul.

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Is there a possibility of another third “party” candidate? Will Progressive Dems find fault with Biden and decide to find someone to run? Or a(nother like RFKJr) who has greater appeal to sane and “please G-d not again the same matchup”voters?

Christie had to have had support of some NJ Dems to be Governor. I’ll find stats and ask my Liberal NJ family voters.

What saddens me more/most: one woman; two people of color. Those running don’t remotely reflect this country’s demographics or the changes. It’s like a meal without anything but sliced white bread and American cheese: bland in good policies and experiences. Bombast doesn’t give it energy.

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Remember: On Michael Steele's podcast, when he and Chris Christie were reminiscing about their days as Obamacare bashers, Christie said that Obamacare was popular "because people like getting something for nothing." Big yuks.

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Maybe I am the only one, but if Biden would get a new VP, someone strong and young, he could win. I think people are concerned that if he is incapacitated Harris is not Presidential material. I always thought she would have made a great AG. But was disappointed when she was the VP pick. Biden has really aged since he was elected. That worries me. Newsom is strong. How about Jeffries? I don’t care about the sex or color right now. I care about winning. And I don’t feel we have a strong ticket right now.

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Biden is one of the most effective presidents we have EVER had. Changing horses mid-stream in a storm may not be wise. Biden knows best. He saved our Democracy and the good works he's accomplished will play out for generations. Harris hasn't had a chance yet.

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It won’t matter if he can’t get re-elected. And the reaction I have been getting from a lot of staunch Democrats is they don’t want him because of his age. A strong VP could make all of the difference. I have yet to talk to anyone who feels good about Harris taking over in a sad event that Biden falls ill and isn’t able to serve out his term. Everything is about electability. Country first personality second. Biden has done well but FDR was amazing.

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Jeffries for vp if needed.

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Steve two years ago Biden made this day

June 19th a Federal holiday to honor the freeing of the enslaved blacks in Aug 1865

War ended in April but Texas kept the enslaved blacks captive….as a white

Woman I’m grateful that the enslaved blacks and their descendants are being acknowledged …May we tell the truth as a country of the horrors our country did to the black enslaved and the indigenous

Indians and their children… TRUTHFULLY

WRITE THE FACTS OF HISTORY, Marsha

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Maddie Bless you for your compassion..your response

Meant a lot , Marsha ❤️

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