The fact that Flynn hasn't been pulled back into active duty and then courtmartialed like the disgraceful insurrectionist traitor that he is can only be testament to the absolute failure of individuals at multiple levels of leadership to recognize the threat, or an indicator that such individuals are in tacit agreement with him.
I am also thrilled that I get to continue to fund his pension while continues his tireless efforts to destroy this nation.
Exactly my thought as well. That he continues to draw a military pension can only be indicative that he has support from within the current military ranks. That alone is horrifying to contemplate. 2020 was but a dry run for what will happen in two weeks, and that in turn will be nothing but a precursor to what will happen in 2024.
I never in my worst nightmares thought that I would see the end of democracy in this country, yet that is apparently exactly what I am going to witness.
I’m 69 years old. I’ve marched peacefully in DC numerous times since 1970, protested peacefully, learned about local, state, national candidates for office and voted, picked up trash on my neighborhood walks, served as a Girl Scout cookie mom (OMG!), volunteered in my community, and I don’t break laws (not the big ones, anyway, a traffic ticket or two). I think I’m a decent citizen! Never imagined that all of this would be happening in our country. I wish the insurrectionists had waited until I leave this earthly plane to pull their traitorous stunts. I don’t want to be here to see this unfold. I am already grief-stricken for my children. [I had BrCA in the early 90s and received high dose chemotherapy as part of a clinical - experimental - treatment. And what’s happening today is freaking me out as much or more than dealing with breast cancer.]
PBS Frontline journalist Michelle R. Smith is my HERO today. Watching her work in contrast to these Christian Nationalist Military Zealots is astounding and even terrifying. Thank you Michelle R. Smith.
I’m so sad today after watching this documentary because of what has already happened to much of my own family in Montana: brainwashed and destroyed by Military Christian Nationalism and now they too are highly armed and dangerous to myself and to the survival of our Democracy. We had Montana's smallest state park on our 160 acre family property for 20 years or more, something to be proud of, a homesteader's sod roof log cabin that was part of Montana's heritage, and my family heritage, until an Oath Keeper influenced my x-military brother to put up a shooting range behind the cabin and soon after we lost the valuable state lease in 2008 and are no longer on the State Park registry. Now it is a Christian Nationalist Military practice ground, the same ‘local battlefield’ that Flynn is commanding across our nation. I lost my own brothers to this insanity. I am sickened by all of this. We are losing our Democracy to this Cult-Insanity. Christian Nationalists are waging a 'Holy War'. Is this now a civil war in the U.S.A? DANGER. My heart is bleeding for the children. We have so much work to do in the face of what appears to be a dire and grave threat to our Democracy.
Thank you, Steve, for your hard work, integrity, grit, and The WARNING. Thank you all on this forum, too, for being here. We need to stick together. We must mobilize any way we can.
Before being upset by the documentary I will look at and listen to, I want to comment this. Mike Flynn's dark intent has been recognized, commented upon, regurgitated again and again in the forums of opinion. I supported all the voices who, alarmed, called out his danger. And there is only one thing to do, albeit late and solely for whatever reasons the military establishment has decided it must be so, he should be immediately held accountable by his superiors. He should be stripped of all symbols of his past accomplishments and legally prohibited to continue to attack "militarily" the country from within. If the above documentary is evidence of paramilitary violence, the responsible should be arrested and indicted. If the military establishment succumbs to his dark intent for America, then it will be the most egregious and weak display of submission to an American traitor, who must be striking the hearts with sadness and the minds with incomprehension of its most affected members, the men and women VOLUNTARILY serving the country at the risk of their own lives, mostly young women and men. It is the military brass that is responsible for such a disgraceful blow. And the citizens of America have already become its victims for having had their faith so mutilated.
I watched this too Steve and like you, I realized that most of America has no f’ing idea of what is coming. This documentary chilled me to the bone. We have been asleep and distracted by superficial bs for decades. At this point, we only have ourselves to blame.
For me, the most chilling part of the film was when the owner of The Hollow looked directly into the camera and said in a menacing and arrogant manner that Flynn’s followers would wait to see the outcome of the elections. If they don’t like the results, they will unleash unparalleled violence. This person (Miller?) was at the capitol on January 6. I don’t understand why Flynn and Brannon are allowed to continue their traitorous behavior.
The destruction of democracy and the rule of law is clearly underway and we are seemingly helpless. It is hard to imagine what terrible changes the next few months and years will bring.
Typically I am not one to be at a loss of words. Right now I am and have been for a couple of weeks. I am afraid. I have no idea how any of this is stopped. My hope is the election, but I am guessing it will be a mess and agree, it is most likely we are late now to correct the course we are on.
A few months back I saw a photo of Michael Flynn and Allen West dressed pseudo Templar capes. ( white with red Templar cross). My first thought was they’ve joined the Society for Creative Anachronisms and are now into CosPlay
I was wrong. These folks are serious.
Yes we have an issue of freedom to practice religion and separation of church and state. The legal/ ethical question is when does it, along with Christian Nationalism cross the line into a national threat where the government must step in.
Deeper still why the attraction to such a cult. Again it’s a cult and again it’s dangerous. Who is funding? The why is easy The who much more interesting
Recalling and court-marshaling Flynn will do nothing but create a martyr. That’s my only argument against it. Our better choice is to use the PBS documentary and others to call attention, and when they cross the line to belligerence, and the will, then take immediate action.
Meanwhile the catholics on the Supreme Court are busy changing the meaning of the1st amendment so that these religious extremists don't have to deal with a separation of church and state.
One thing is becoming increasingly clear by the day: We are the prequel to ‘The Handmaid’s Tale.’ We’re now in episode 6 of a 10-episode season. Thankfully, episodes 9 and 10 have not yet been written. That’s up to us.
I just finished watching the Frontline piece on General Michael Flynn. There were a couple of things that struck me: On is how normal Flynn himself sounds, the other is what a CIA officer serving under himn called “Flynn Facts.” The third is that, as good as th Frontline piece was, the reporter never aked some critical questions: What precisely does Flynn mean by “socialism” and “communism?” What is th spiritul renewal he sees Christians going yhrough. Does hius spirituality have anything to do with growing closer to Go, or is it all about political power? Finally, I’d love to know whathis vision of success would look like? How would he change the country to make it more truly “Judeo-Christian” and, should he gain sufficient power to have his way, what happens to the Jews and Christians who oppose his vision, What happens to the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists and various other religiious groups? Are they to be left alone? Not only that, but does Flynn believe that electoral loss by his conservative side is proof of the corruption of democrats? Does he really believe that if those who oppose him win, it is only because of their corruption? if he believes this, doesn’t it mean that he believes that only his side can legitimately win? Doesn’t that mean he would declare every vote opposing his vision of America as illegitimate and therefore every voter who casts a vote opposing him as illegitimate Americans? And how precisely would hw deal with such opponents? Toss them in jail, take them to re-education camps, take them to death camps? These are some of the unasked questions which haunt me.
All the trumpublicans believe that anyone who votes Democratic is corrupt and illegitimate per se. This is the ultimate foundation of the Big Lie. They have called us names for so long they believe we are subhuman.
Oh crap!! I just watched that and it validates my worst fears. He must be court marshaled. He is a major threat to our national security. And if my taxes are paying for his retirement I will persue this to the end!
And more he’s a threat to our democracy. I just don’t get how people can be so stupid. I’m sure that’s not the correct way to say it...but we are supposed to have a separation of church and state. That’s what we fought against in our freedom from British rule. It’s obvious to me that some people are so hungry for control they bring religion into it to capture the masses that can’t think for themselves
You were right. This documentary is real. These folks have been spewing this conspiracy filled rhetoric for a long time. When the guy spoke about the person he was in service with and he had the tape of Alex Jones, that was crazy. Even crazier are the number of individuals who took part in January 6th and are proud of their participation. What is so beyond comprehension is the conviction of those speaking in support of absolutely nothing they have evidence of; like a stolen election. They say its not against Republican or Democrat, but good and evil. And in their eyes from what I hear…that’s a Democrat!
The fact that Flynn hasn't been pulled back into active duty and then courtmartialed like the disgraceful insurrectionist traitor that he is can only be testament to the absolute failure of individuals at multiple levels of leadership to recognize the threat, or an indicator that such individuals are in tacit agreement with him.
I am also thrilled that I get to continue to fund his pension while continues his tireless efforts to destroy this nation.
Exactly my thought as well. That he continues to draw a military pension can only be indicative that he has support from within the current military ranks. That alone is horrifying to contemplate. 2020 was but a dry run for what will happen in two weeks, and that in turn will be nothing but a precursor to what will happen in 2024.
I never in my worst nightmares thought that I would see the end of democracy in this country, yet that is apparently exactly what I am going to witness.
I’m 69 years old. I’ve marched peacefully in DC numerous times since 1970, protested peacefully, learned about local, state, national candidates for office and voted, picked up trash on my neighborhood walks, served as a Girl Scout cookie mom (OMG!), volunteered in my community, and I don’t break laws (not the big ones, anyway, a traffic ticket or two). I think I’m a decent citizen! Never imagined that all of this would be happening in our country. I wish the insurrectionists had waited until I leave this earthly plane to pull their traitorous stunts. I don’t want to be here to see this unfold. I am already grief-stricken for my children. [I had BrCA in the early 90s and received high dose chemotherapy as part of a clinical - experimental - treatment. And what’s happening today is freaking me out as much or more than dealing with breast cancer.]
I’m so sorry about what you have gone through, and I hope that I am wrong about my fear.
I have thought the VERY SAME THING!! It is sick
MDS …Boy oh Boy do I wish he could be Courtmarshalled, stripped of all medals, lose his pension, lose all
Medical help and sent to military prison maybe GITMO!!! For Life…
PBS Frontline journalist Michelle R. Smith is my HERO today. Watching her work in contrast to these Christian Nationalist Military Zealots is astounding and even terrifying. Thank you Michelle R. Smith.
I’m so sad today after watching this documentary because of what has already happened to much of my own family in Montana: brainwashed and destroyed by Military Christian Nationalism and now they too are highly armed and dangerous to myself and to the survival of our Democracy. We had Montana's smallest state park on our 160 acre family property for 20 years or more, something to be proud of, a homesteader's sod roof log cabin that was part of Montana's heritage, and my family heritage, until an Oath Keeper influenced my x-military brother to put up a shooting range behind the cabin and soon after we lost the valuable state lease in 2008 and are no longer on the State Park registry. Now it is a Christian Nationalist Military practice ground, the same ‘local battlefield’ that Flynn is commanding across our nation. I lost my own brothers to this insanity. I am sickened by all of this. We are losing our Democracy to this Cult-Insanity. Christian Nationalists are waging a 'Holy War'. Is this now a civil war in the U.S.A? DANGER. My heart is bleeding for the children. We have so much work to do in the face of what appears to be a dire and grave threat to our Democracy.
Thank you, Steve, for your hard work, integrity, grit, and The WARNING. Thank you all on this forum, too, for being here. We need to stick together. We must mobilize any way we can.
Before being upset by the documentary I will look at and listen to, I want to comment this. Mike Flynn's dark intent has been recognized, commented upon, regurgitated again and again in the forums of opinion. I supported all the voices who, alarmed, called out his danger. And there is only one thing to do, albeit late and solely for whatever reasons the military establishment has decided it must be so, he should be immediately held accountable by his superiors. He should be stripped of all symbols of his past accomplishments and legally prohibited to continue to attack "militarily" the country from within. If the above documentary is evidence of paramilitary violence, the responsible should be arrested and indicted. If the military establishment succumbs to his dark intent for America, then it will be the most egregious and weak display of submission to an American traitor, who must be striking the hearts with sadness and the minds with incomprehension of its most affected members, the men and women VOLUNTARILY serving the country at the risk of their own lives, mostly young women and men. It is the military brass that is responsible for such a disgraceful blow. And the citizens of America have already become its victims for having had their faith so mutilated.
He and Trump are yelling fire in a crowded theater. Not allowed even with cover of free speech
I watched this too Steve and like you, I realized that most of America has no f’ing idea of what is coming. This documentary chilled me to the bone. We have been asleep and distracted by superficial bs for decades. At this point, we only have ourselves to blame.
For me, the most chilling part of the film was when the owner of The Hollow looked directly into the camera and said in a menacing and arrogant manner that Flynn’s followers would wait to see the outcome of the elections. If they don’t like the results, they will unleash unparalleled violence. This person (Miller?) was at the capitol on January 6. I don’t understand why Flynn and Brannon are allowed to continue their traitorous behavior.
The destruction of democracy and the rule of law is clearly underway and we are seemingly helpless. It is hard to imagine what terrible changes the next few months and years will bring.
We have “amused ourselves” to if not death, then to our imminent peril. Much pain ahead, I’m afraid.
Typically I am not one to be at a loss of words. Right now I am and have been for a couple of weeks. I am afraid. I have no idea how any of this is stopped. My hope is the election, but I am guessing it will be a mess and agree, it is most likely we are late now to correct the course we are on.
A few months back I saw a photo of Michael Flynn and Allen West dressed pseudo Templar capes. ( white with red Templar cross). My first thought was they’ve joined the Society for Creative Anachronisms and are now into CosPlay
I was wrong. These folks are serious.
Yes we have an issue of freedom to practice religion and separation of church and state. The legal/ ethical question is when does it, along with Christian Nationalism cross the line into a national threat where the government must step in.
Deeper still why the attraction to such a cult. Again it’s a cult and again it’s dangerous. Who is funding? The why is easy The who much more interesting
Recalling and court-marshaling Flynn will do nothing but create a martyr. That’s my only argument against it. Our better choice is to use the PBS documentary and others to call attention, and when they cross the line to belligerence, and the will, then take immediate action.
I agree with you Liz. Thought the same while watching the doc. He would become a martyr.
Meanwhile the catholics on the Supreme Court are busy changing the meaning of the1st amendment so that these religious extremists don't have to deal with a separation of church and state.
One thing is becoming increasingly clear by the day: We are the prequel to ‘The Handmaid’s Tale.’ We’re now in episode 6 of a 10-episode season. Thankfully, episodes 9 and 10 have not yet been written. That’s up to us.
I just finished watching the Frontline piece on General Michael Flynn. There were a couple of things that struck me: On is how normal Flynn himself sounds, the other is what a CIA officer serving under himn called “Flynn Facts.” The third is that, as good as th Frontline piece was, the reporter never aked some critical questions: What precisely does Flynn mean by “socialism” and “communism?” What is th spiritul renewal he sees Christians going yhrough. Does hius spirituality have anything to do with growing closer to Go, or is it all about political power? Finally, I’d love to know whathis vision of success would look like? How would he change the country to make it more truly “Judeo-Christian” and, should he gain sufficient power to have his way, what happens to the Jews and Christians who oppose his vision, What happens to the Muslims, the Hindus, the Buddhists and various other religiious groups? Are they to be left alone? Not only that, but does Flynn believe that electoral loss by his conservative side is proof of the corruption of democrats? Does he really believe that if those who oppose him win, it is only because of their corruption? if he believes this, doesn’t it mean that he believes that only his side can legitimately win? Doesn’t that mean he would declare every vote opposing his vision of America as illegitimate and therefore every voter who casts a vote opposing him as illegitimate Americans? And how precisely would hw deal with such opponents? Toss them in jail, take them to re-education camps, take them to death camps? These are some of the unasked questions which haunt me.
All the trumpublicans believe that anyone who votes Democratic is corrupt and illegitimate per se. This is the ultimate foundation of the Big Lie. They have called us names for so long they believe we are subhuman.
The question is this:
What do we do now?
Honestly asking, because I don't know.
I shared the video. Seems the appropriate season.
Oh crap!! I just watched that and it validates my worst fears. He must be court marshaled. He is a major threat to our national security. And if my taxes are paying for his retirement I will persue this to the end!
And more he’s a threat to our democracy. I just don’t get how people can be so stupid. I’m sure that’s not the correct way to say it...but we are supposed to have a separation of church and state. That’s what we fought against in our freedom from British rule. It’s obvious to me that some people are so hungry for control they bring religion into it to capture the masses that can’t think for themselves
You were right. This documentary is real. These folks have been spewing this conspiracy filled rhetoric for a long time. When the guy spoke about the person he was in service with and he had the tape of Alex Jones, that was crazy. Even crazier are the number of individuals who took part in January 6th and are proud of their participation. What is so beyond comprehension is the conviction of those speaking in support of absolutely nothing they have evidence of; like a stolen election. They say its not against Republican or Democrat, but good and evil. And in their eyes from what I hear…that’s a Democrat!
MSNBC shows have been talking about Flynn for a long time. They spotlighted this documentary last week as well.